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From: "Clap if you believe..." <henry57@matrix.newpaltz.edu>
Subject: Re: TirNanOc, Issue #104
To: tiernan@mad.scientist.com (Tiernan)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:09:16 -0500 (EST)
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'Ello...thought I'd respond to those who've responded. :)
My comments are injected here and there, marked with an *.
Lindsay replied:
>
> ooh kewl! hey, where do you live? this is a fairly widespread list, i'm
> sure we could find someone near to you that you might be able to get
> together with and compare notes or something. i myself am in atlanta. :)
* I am currently located at New Paltz College in New Paltz, NY.
My hometown is Syracuse NY.
>
> >I consider myself of the seelie court, but I cannot deny the presence
> >of unseelie tendencies. But light and dark depend on one another,
> >right? I place freedom and fair judgement above most things, and I
> >consider myself a defender and protector.
>
> i am oft reminded of a shel silverstein poem wherein a boy asks a zebra is
> he black with white stripes or white with black stripes... i =like= to
> think that most people are good with some bad tendecies. but there are
> people who are bad with good tendencies. in the same way, there are seelie
> with unseelie tendencies, and unseelie with seelie tendencies. i don't
> think anyone can be purely one or the other. well, there are exceptions,
> but i think they're rare.
>
* I like to try balancing both sides. It gives me a broader perspective.
:)
> (i can just see me telling my shrink, "yeah, and i think
> i'm really a Brinn, which is a race of fellinids, and we lived in a place
> called the tir, in another realm of reality, uh huh." yeah, =that='d go
> over =real= well. NOT.)
* I totally relate! When my memories began returning to me, I thought
I was going insane, and that I'd be taken to the Funny farm. That
changed when I found that one of my good friends from high school was
Gargoyle. As you can imagine, we stuck together for a great deal
after that. I think it's weird how I'm finding more and more like us
in person, and I can't tell whether it's coincidence or if there's
a deeper reason. I'd like to think the latter.
>
> well, i think i've rambled enough. :)
* Never enough! :)
>
> until next time,
> Linz/Lindsay/Valinde/shrrr b'taolin
>
>
Rhianna replied:
>
> Alyshai Alughasa,
* That's me...
>
> ***Hello from another Tuatha de Danaan.
* Cool!!! :) Greetings sister!
>
> ***I wouldn't concern myself so much with Courtly desigantions if I were
> you. As I recall, they mean very little these days. I'm Seelie and my
> husband and one of my best friends are both Unseelie. I think the
> differences are kind of similar to the differences between Republicans
> and Democrats:)
Honestly, I try not to concern much. I do attempt to balance the
two, though.
>
>
> Danu Be With You
>
> Rhianna
* It's nice to meet one of my own. I honestly have to say that my
memories of our tribe is very vague, because I was wisked into the
otherworlds before the sundering ever took place, and I was only
8 or 9 in human years (to give you a better picture). I've been
switched from life to life, learning something new from each
experience. It's only been a little over a year since my awakening
to my true nature, so I realize that I still have a great deal to
learn...er...re-learn. :)
Danu is ever with you, Rhianna.
And all the rest of you.
-Alyshai Alughasa
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Heh, I forgot to mention.. I am also Tuatha de Danaan ;)...T.
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 13:16:37 -0600
To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
From: Sileniel <sileniel@usa.net>
Subject: Re: TirNanOc, Issue #104
Samhain Blessings to everyone :)
Robin (Magic Rat), my soulbonded Ashran and myself are dressing up as
modern Draestar'i Friday (dark elves we remember). I've got some
apprehensions about this, it's the first time I've done something like this
down here in the Bible Belt, but I won't let a little thing like that stop
me ;) We went to an open CUUPS circle this past Friday, which was alright
if a bit silly. Not that I'm against silly, but it just wasn't quite
synching for me.
Aelfrith Helsdottir-thanks for that Computer Prayer, I loved it :)
I will add my agreement to those who have expressed the perception that the
Veils are a bit thinner, even for this time of the year. I haven't had any
visions to write home about. I've just seen a couple of things out of the
corner of my eye that I knew were not hallucinations but something *else*.
I think it's a time to be especially careful of what we project. What we
project can now have a greater Impression on the Dreaming around us from
what I've seen, and can fool our senses as to what's 'real'.
Greyhawk had mentioned:
> The mundane world that surrounds us is a minor deviation in a long
>history, those of us who remember earlier lives or other-worldly lives
>know this as well as we know that the sun rises in the east and sets in
>the west, but when faced with the task of communicating this simple thing
>to another person face to face, I found myself hedging and avoiding the
>delicate issue of how much this knowledge means to me personally.
This is an interesting perspective, and one that might help us when we do
have to explain ourselves to skeptics. I think you did a remarkable job of
trying to reach out to the people you were talking to. How did it turn out?
Greyhawk had also asked:
>Do
>others of you have this problem? How do you discuss your elfin or
>otherkin heritage with someone who has no memories that correlate to your
>own? What do you do when you are face to face with someone pre-disposed
>to assume you are either badly mistaken, or possible even insanely
>delusioned?
I deal with this issue much the same way Linz described last issue. It's
the same way I've been dealing with the same question in regards to being
Pagan. There are times where I feel it is worth my while to explain that I
am Elven, and times where I feel that the effort would be wasted. I go on a
case-by-case basis. In regards to your question, I don't explain myself to
those who I think will assume I am mistaken or insane. I will only explain
myself if it feels Des'tai (on the path), in the hopes that I can come to
an understanding with that person or people. If it seems that I have
started to explain myself to someone who is going to be that way, then I
will end the conversation as quickly as possible. IMO there is nothing to
be gained by talking to someone who refuses to listen.
Serena had described being able to pick up the answer to a question after
asking someone the question, even if they don't know the answer. This has
happened to me, and the explaination I had come up with was this:
Verbalizing a question helps me to retrive the knowledge out of my
long-term memory banks. Perhaps they need a mental Defrag. ;)
Blessings,
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Drink up dreamers,
You're running dry
"Here Comes the Flood
-Peter Gabriel
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Date: Wed, 29 Oct 1997 10:27:45 -0800
To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
From: "Trent B. Wild" <fvwilt2i@ucfv.bc.ca>
Subject: Re: TirNanOc, Issue #104
Greetings kin,
I am generally an elf of few words and have contented myself to
merely observe. There are a couple of things from the last list, however,
that I would like to adress.
To Greyhawk:
> I found myself hedging and avoiding the
>delicate issue of how much this knowledge means to me personally. Do
>others of you have this problem? How do you discuss your elfin or
>otherkin heritage with someone who has no memories that correlate to your
>own? What do you do when you are face to face with someone pre-disposed
>to assume you are either badly mistaken, or possible even insanely
>delusioned? I fear, due to the nature of the community I am now in, this
>type of situation will inevitably arise from time to time so any
>experiences others on this list might like to share would be very helpful
>to me.
I can relate to this. I have told 5 people of my elfin blood; 2 thought I
was joking, one offered to drive me to the hospital, thinking I was lapsing
into an unstable mental state (and more often than not lately I've wondered
the same thing), another believed me, but only because I "made the stars
come out at night, when it had been cloudy all day", and the 5th thinks I'm
nuts, but encourages me because "it makes me happy" (humans, go figure).
Others have increasingly commented on my elfin appearance, (for example:
"when you turn like that with that grin, you remeind me of Dalamar from the
Dragonlance books") to which I respond with a slight smile and yet say
nothing. Does this mean I am ashamed of being elfin? I don't think so.
Humanity is not yet ready to share this reality. They are having too much
trouble dealing with themselves, let alone another race entirely. I don't
know enough (does anyone?) about our kind to be able to answer all questions
about elfin existance with any amount of conviction, and that makes it
harder to deal with the questions of unbelievers. Hold on, as I do, the
answers are coming.
To the Silver Elves:
I agree (as I usually do) with the wisdom of your contributions. In fact,
I have learned more about "mys'elf" the last few months from reading these
submissions. However, I find myself somewhat unsettled (again, this is
usual) by some of the observations that have been made. I agree that we
are ultimately peace-makers, and that we would undoubtedly sacrifice a great
deal to promote a peaceful solution to a situation. I cannot agree,
however, (and maybe this is just me) that we, as elves, are happy, singing
creatures, that we experience arrogance only in our adolescence, or that we
are a form of divinity (though it pains me to admit it :)). Is it not
arrogant to say we are not arrogant? Does no one else feel the sudden
ferocity, the sudden ferrality that sweeps through ones entire form as you
almost unwillingly grab an offender by the shoulders and come within inches
of doing harm? I try at all times to promote peace, but there are times
when it is not enough. About 2 months ago, I was walking home from a
wedding, slightly drunk, yet able to walk and think at the same time. I was
stopped by a young lady outside a bar on the way who was waiting for her
brothers and she asked for a cigarette. Was it arrogance that made me take
pity on her? I offered to by her a pack at a store on the way home, and so
we both started to walk together. Shortly we reached the store, I bought
the cigarettes, said good night, and walked off, alone again. About half
way across the parking lot, I was stopped again by six young men who also
asked if I had a cigarette. I gave the one I had lit from the pack (the
only one I kept) and started to walk away. It was then that the young lady
from before came around the corner and started to call me. The young men
had apparently be of some aquaintence to her, because they suddenly started
running towards her, saying "let's kick her ass" and other such eloquent
phrases. I intervened. I suggested that 6 guys to 1 girl was not a fair
fight and that they would do better to come to a peace solution. One of the
young men turned suddenly, grabbed me by the collar and proceeded to punch
me in the face, asking "Are you defending her?" I, being somewhat tipsy,
can't say I felt the pain of the blows to the face immediately, and that may
explain why I took the hits without retalliation. After all, better me than
the defenseless lady, right? From this I learned that rationality is not
always feasable; to make a mountain move, sometimes you need a little force.
But I've babbled more than I intended. I thank you for your wisdom and
insight, but ideals are not always what are best.
May your journies ever be on lightened paths,
Trynn
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 21:31:20 -0500
From: Kistilan <kistilan@geocities.com>
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To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: Dimensional Rift
Greetings,
Well, first I'd like to know a few things. I was interested in the list
because I believe in faeries, druids, dragons, magick, nymphs, dryads,
unicorns, vampires and the like, but have never encountered any of them
in the 'other worlds' save my imagination and when I role-play with
others. I know how some believe role-players to be insane, but those
are generally the Christians that label anything they don't understand
or can in the slightest way be linked through a long series of written
words in the Bible to Satan or whatever evil you like. However, those
that did go insane through role-playing were statistically shown that
99.5% of them were legally insane BEFORE they ever role-played. *sighs*
To make a long paragraph shorter, I'm just saying I don't believe I'm
insane, nor do I believe anyone else is on this list. *nods*
Now, I've been studying magick for about 1 and a half years, and I've
never found anything other than 'fairy magick' in books, never in
actuallity a human being the shell of a 'fae' such as you name them....
The Seelie and Unseelie as you say? *nods* How does one know of this?
I've tried magick, but only one thing worked for certain, and that was
an astral traveling spell in a charm that ended up being a traveling
love charm instead. *frowns* I seem to recall memories when magic was
so much easier..... When I was smaller and untouched by modern
thoughts..... I believed I could fly, and in all honesty, I could jump
further than I can now with that first burst of excitement at recess. I
thought I was flying, and I had dreams of such things. Now my dreams
are dead. I've no dreams, which irks me terribly. I long for them, but
they don't come. When they do, I'm sadly disappointed and wish to
return to them, but I can't.
With this in mind, I've been attempting a very powerful form of magick
(in my opinion, if not in general) known as Astral Projection. This has
been dificult, and I merely succeeded once in freeing myself to see a
glimpse, and it was through a dream world where I was not fully aware or
conscious..... Not even in control. Doubts settle within my mind that
such a place truly exists, but if one did, surely the fae would know of
it, no?
Maybe I'm not even sure what I'm asking. I'm trying to figure it out
for myself. Could you explain a bit about the fae to me, and the
philosophy of it, or the just of it so I don't think about it
technically? That is what trips me up the most. I over-analyze things,
and that's just not good from what I hear in dealing with magick. Over
thought is one thing, but so is analysis to an extreme.
Also, I'd be delighted to part-take in this story you have of a being
popping out of a rift right in front of you! Can such things REALLY
happen!?!? I wish I could witness something to that effect, but my lack
of expertise is a downfall in such delusions of grandeur, eh? *chuckles
myrthlessly* Anyways, I would dearly enjoy such a relation as the log
you have of the rift.
Kistilan Jerah Dark
kistilan@geocities.com
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Date: Fri, 31 Oct 1997 12:29:10 +0000
From: Chiller <r.a.coldbreath@cold.demon.co.uk>
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To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: Re: TirNanOc, Issue #104
Well hello there Folk!
It's been a long time since I had anything to say, but a
couple of comments in this week's missive caught my beady
eye, so here I go again. Life's been ... interesting
recently (I know I am not alone with that), hence the
silence, and I'm sorry I have not been taking much of an
interest in anything but scraping through the days as best I
could, and learning the lessons which I needed to learn.
I feel a bit guilty for my silence, but I am sure everyone
has been busy enough with their own lives that nobody has
really noticed. ;)
So once again, from pain and complaint and resistance is
forged a new perspective, and a calm which I have not
enjoyed for years - probably not since very early
childhood. I find I am now in a position of being more
*aware* and more spiritually whole than I can remember for
... well, all my life, I suppose.
I know that a great many of us "Otherkin" have experienced
higher-than-anticipated levels of disaster and distress
recently, and I wondered whether any of you are finding you
are emerging from the other side of this yet, or is it just
me?
In any case I hope I find you all well, and, having once
again set my feet securely on my own Path (<happy>), I hope
also that you are all managing to keep your feet on
yours...Greyhawk pondered:
> The mundane world that surrounds us is a minor
> deviation in a long
> history, those of us who remember earlier lives or
> other-worldly lives
> know this as well as we know that the sun rises in the
> east and sets in
> the west, but when faced with the task of communicating
> this simple thing
> to another person face to face, I found myself hedging and
> avoiding the
> delicate issue of how much this knowledge means to me
> personally. Do
> others of you have this problem? How do you discuss your
> elfin or
> otherkin heritage with someone who has no memories that
> correlate to your
> own? What do you do when you are face to face with
> someone pre-disposed
> to assume you are either badly mistaken, or possible even
> insanely
> delusioned? I fear, due to the nature of the community I
> am now in, this
> type of situation will inevitably arise from time to time
> so any
> experiences others on this list might like to share would
> be very helpful
> to me.
Well, Greyhawk, it is nice to hear from you again, my
friend.
This is indeed a very difficult problem to overcome. Should
we even bother to discuss our own personal realities with
others? By *not* doing so, are we shirking a "duty" of some
sort, to make people aware that there are "more things in
heaven and earth, Horatio"?; and thereby maybe plant a seed
which will change their lives and open their minds?
Or by doing so do we expose ourselves to their doubt and
ridicule for nothing? Do we make our lives in this world,
in this reality, needlessly harder than they might otherwise
be?
I guess it depends on the individual. Some people are
predisposed to have an open mind, and some are predisposed
to get scared and lash out, when faced with something they
cannot fit into their vision of reality. Personally, I
don't talk about "my" reality to people unless I am pretty
sure I can trust their open-mindedness. Even so I have made
mistakes, and make them still, and the results of that are
never very nice (from my subjective POV). I have come to
the conclusion that I shall keep my own counsel about what I
am / was, unless someone else raises the subject, in which
case I *might* mention it.
I guess the thing is ... I feel no need to spread any
personal gospel, (or indeed, commune with people), as it
were. It boils down to the fact that I have a handful of
people who know me well enough not to dislike me, I also
have someone in this world who recognises the same reality I
do - and that is all I need, and more than I could possibly
ask.
Robin said:
> Central America-Mayan
>
> The end of life as we know it_.A.D. December 21, 2012.
> Mayan Calendar B.C.
> 400.
>
> The Mayans developed an incredibly accurate calendar. They
> predicted that
> life as we knew it would end on December 21, 2012. Doesn't
> necessarily mean end of
> humans, just a change. A big one.
This particular prediction fascinates me, as it tallies with
something I have been discussing with a friend recently.
Could you possibly let me know your sources for this? I
would like to research it further.
> the SILVER ELVES
Also said a lot of very good things ...
Chiller
Ice and a Slice?
chiller@cold.demon.co.uk
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From: "Ninna Elfrieda Amaia" <lilowen@hotmail.com>
To: tiernan@mad.scientist.com
Subject: for TirNanOc: personal intro
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 05:06:54 GMT
Hello. I am a new member of this list; I use my magickal name, Ninna, in
forums of this nature. In the mundane world, I am 19 years old, a
sophomore in economics at a large Midwestern university.
I don't really know if I am Otherkin or not. I strongly suspect not, but
I've had some memories that make me unsure. I have a few poems written
about them that I will post later (like when I have them with me at the
computer.)
I've always had an interest in faeries and elves, so that may have some
connection. I don't really know yet.
Ninna Amaia
lilowen@hotmail.com
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Until Next Time,
Blessings Upon Your Ways
Tiernan
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