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To: tiernan@mad.scientist.com
Subject: TirNanOc, Issue #106
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Greetings Otherkin,
The time of Winter is come upon us, with the passing of Samhain. The
Solstice is nearing, and with it the return of the Light. I hope
everyone's holiday season this year will be festive and full of dance!
I am in the process of working on the web page to provide more information
for those out there who are seeking to learn more both of thier own
heritage and the heritage of others who are Other. One of the projects I'm
undertaking is pages of writings of Otherkin and what they remember of
thier own home realms. If you feel you have memory of the place from
whence you came, I'd like to invite you to submit it to me for posting on a
web page. Anonymity will be respected for those who do not wish to have
thier email addresses posted, please specify in your email what information
you would like to have posted along with your memoir. You may either send
it as an HTML document, along with any graphics or backgrounds you want to
use attached or you can just send it plain text and I will format it into
HTML and add graphics and background. I myself am working on writing
about my own home, that place once called the Isles of the Blest.
With that, on with this week's posts...
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 19:31:07 +1100
To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
From: Serena <joeho@ca.com.au>
Subject: Re: TirNanOc, Issue #104
At 08:21 28/10/97 -0500, you wrote:
I have to admit something. I have heard all your thoughts about the
otherkins and elves, but for some unknown reason I do not feel this
compasionate about this. I do not know what I am, and I don't really care. I
know that I'm a bit of human as well as a bit of elven, I'm really quite
distant from this. I do not know why... I'm not worried that I don't know
what I am, I just want to explore my magic further. I do not know how much
magic I've got in me, but sometimes I'm able to think exactly the same
things as other are thinking as if I'm reading their minds, but I'm never
sure if that's because I have hidden powers or because I know them and I
know what they think.
I feel like if I trapped myself inside a room or I have locked away my past
memories and I can't find the key to open the door, or some unconcious part
of me don't want me to find it.
One thing I can admit to is that I'm not 100% pure and good, I could
actually say that there is more bad in me than good, but I try to change I
really do, but I just can't help it, I feel all this energy enter me when I
am angry or pissed and although I can't let my energy out, I feel as if I'm
being consumed by evil and darkness and I actually feel good in it!
<Oo---<>--- Serena---<>---oO>
whose real name is Serena!
joeho@ca.com.au
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Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 11:32:14 -0600
To: tiernan@mad.scientist.com
From: Sileniel <sileniel@usa.net>
Subject: Re: TNO #105
Hio,
As the Samhain tide of change passes, I have noticed the same thing that
Chiller had noticed. The amount of disruption and upset in the lives of the
Otherkin around me is passing, things are reaching a point of resolution.
As the season of winter introspection and rebirth at Yule approaches, I am
curious as to how this is going to affect us.
Greetings to Kistilan :) who had written:
<<Now, I've been studying magick for about 1 and a half years, and I've
never found anything other than 'fairy magick' in books, never in
actuallity a human being the shell of a 'fae' such as you name them....>>
I've been magically active for 9 years, and I have found the same thing.
The only books I have seen that come close to describing my current state
of Elf incarnated in a human body are the books by Gael Baudino. In the
area of books on Magick, I have only seen passing reference (by author R.J.
Stewart writing about the Faery Tradition) to the folk traditions that
state that sometimes the Fae incarnate in human bodies.
I understand your sadness at not being able to do all the things you were
able to do as a child: jumping, flying, remembering dreaming. I also
understand your difficulties with Astral Projection, I've had the same
difficulties myself. I think you had a good idea when you said that
over-analyzing things can cause difficulties in magic, and I think it
relates to this.
I think one of the things that the Fae can bring back to the world is
wonder and awe, and importance to things that the world currently
dismisses, such as jumping, flying, Dreaming well. If we can do this, then
the enthusiasm and imagination of youth will not be stomped upon as readily
by the 'rationalism' of adulthood. Instead of hearing "It was only a
dream...", maybe children will one day hear "Tell me about your dream".
This may tell you a bit about Fae philosophy, or at least the philosophy of
this one Fae. ;)
Also, welcome to Nina :) who wrote:
<<I don't really know if I am Otherkin or not. I strongly suspect not, but
I've had some memories that make me unsure.>>
The answer will come to you, and whether you be Otherkin or no. Knowing
yourself will give you inner stregnth regardless of which answer it turns
out to be.
Trynn had written in response to the Silver Elves' post mentioning his
concern that we may not always be able to act in a peaceful manner, that
there may not always be a peaceful solution to every problem. I agree. It's
been my experience that the Silver Elves speak of the ideal of the Elven
state. I agree that the ideal cannot always be lived up to, but it is
something I like to keep in mind as something to aspire to. :) I too have
felt a strong urge to ferocity, like the time I saw some guy outside of my
apartment beating on his girlfriend. We are not the creatures we were when
we were wholly spirit, and not physical. I long to return to that spiritual
state, and see these ideals as guidelines.
Chiller had said:
<<So once again, from pain and complaint and resistance is
forged a new perspective, and a calm which I have not
enjoyed for years - probably not since very early
childhood. I find I am now in a position of being more
*aware* and more spiritually whole than I can remember for
... well, all my life, I suppose.>>
Here's an old saying:
"Suffer to learn, cheat to win". ;) (Just kidding about that cheat to win
part). It's often true that hardships can serve the clearest insights. I'm
glad that you have come to the end of your hardships with something added
to your spirituality :)
Blessings,
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From: "Sanna Sipilä" <luinelen@geocities.com>
To: <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
Subject: Personal intro for TirNanOc
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:23:39 +0200
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Hi
I'm new on this list. Actually I have already recieved two issues. In both
of them was something about new members (in first responds and in second
intro) so I thought I could tell something about myself, too.
I live in Finland, so if there are some errors in my text it is propably
because I'm not that good in English...But I would like to learn, so please
correct. (Privatly :) )
My elven name is Luinelen. (If somebody wants to know my human name he/she
can ask.)
I'm not sure if I am an elf. I have felt a long time that I'm not from this
world or at least not from this time. I don't have any memories but I just
don't fit here. I haven't found anything from past (as it is in human
history) and future is unknown, so I have turned my search to other worlds.
I have been interested of elves (and wizards) since I read my first fantasy
book. But I don't really know much about them. So would somebody be kind
and tell where I can find the basic information about races and things?
More later.
Farewell
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Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 16:50:45 -0800
From: silver elves <elve@jps.net>
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To: tiernan@mad.scientist.com, fvwilt@ucfv.bc.ca
Subject: ideals
>>>> Trynn Said:
To the Silver Elves:
I agree (as I usually do) with the wisdom of your contributions. In
fact, I have learned more about "mys'elf" the last few months from reading
these submissions. However, I find myself somewhat unsettled (again, this is
usual) by some of the observations that have been made. I agree that
we are ultimately peace-makers, and that we would undoubtedly sacrifice a
great deal to promote a peaceful solution to a situation. I cannot agree,
however, (and maybe this is just me) that we, as elves, are happy,
singing creatures, that we experience arrogance only in our adolescence, or
that
we are a form of divinity (though it pains me to admit it :)). Is it not
arrogant to say we are not arrogant? Does no one else feel the sudden
ferocity, the sudden ferrality that sweeps through ones entire form as
you almost unwillingly grab an offender by the shoulders and come within
inches of doing harm? I try at all times to promote peace, but there are
times
when it is not enough. About 2 months ago, I was walking home from a
wedding, slightly drunk, yet able to walk and think at the same time. I
was stopped by a young lady outside a bar on the way who was waiting for her
brothers and she asked for a cigarette. Was it arrogance that made me
take pity on her? I offered to by her a pack at a store on the way home, and
so we both started to walk together. Shortly we reached the store, I
bought the cigarettes, said good night, and walked off, alone again. About
half way across the parking lot, I was stopped again by six young men who
also asked if I had a cigarette. I gave the one I had lit from the pack (the
only one I kept) and started to walk away. It was then that the young
lady from before came around the corner and started to call me. The young
men had apparently be of some aquaintence to her, because they suddenly
started running towards her, saying "let's kick her ass" and other such
eloquent
phrases. I intervened. I suggested that 6 guys to 1 girl was not a
fair fight and that they would do better to come to a peace solution. One of
the young men turned suddenly, grabbed me by the collar and proceeded to
punch me in the face, asking "Are you defending her?" I, being somewhat
tipsy, can't say I felt the pain of the blows to the face immediately, and
that
may explain why I took the hits without retalliation. After all, better me
than the defenseless lady, right? From this I learned that rationality is
not always feasable; to make a mountain move, sometimes you need a little
force. But I've babbled more than I intended. I thank you for your wisdom and
insight, but ideals are not always what are best.
May your journies ever be on lightened paths,
Trynn
<<<<<<
We agree with you...
Trynn,
....that reality often confronts idealism in a most startling and
sometimes painful way as your idealist, chivalristic and perhaps
romantic defence of a girl you hardly knew demonstrated. But we must
applaud you in this because it was surely an elfin thing to do and we in
the same situation would probably have done the same. It is always a
struggle for us to express our ideas and ideals in a way that will be
readily understood by others. You seem to have gotten the impression
that because elves are a singing, dancing folk that we do not sometimes
feel the ferocity and anger that injustice arouses in us and that
justice at times demands. This is not so, as your own experience points
out to you, and we are sorry that we have failed to communicate
ours'elves adequately. In fact, we most likely would have gotten
ours'elves in even deeper than you. One of our number is a practitioner
of Capoeira and Kenpo and Pentjak Silat and another has a brown belt in
karate and is a current practitioner of Judo. More than likely after
having tried to reason with the miscreants and that having failed we
would have harmed one or two, then have been severely plummeted.
Although, in truth, due to luck or magic or grace we have yet to
confront such a situation where we were not able to talk our way out of
things....kiss a tree (knock on wood).
However, it is our experience that elves in general (and went it
comes to elves one can never make absolute statements with any hope of
accuracy) do tend to become less arrogant when they mature. When we are
speaking of elfin age we are not speaking of the age of a person's
physical body in this lifetime nor are we even speaking of the number of
lifetimes one has been manifesting but rather ,in truth, the age or the
maturity and Initiation of the Soul. You might think it arrogant to say
that elves as they mature become less arrogant but for us it is merely
an observation and please understand that we ours'elves make no claim to
this exulted level of development.
And as to our divine nature...that is something that not only comes
from the mythos and legends of our people but is part and parcel of the
nature of faerie...all of life is connected and all of life, everyone
and thing bears within it the potential for the divine. However, the
understanding of this comes from revelatory and visionary experience
and if you do not see this, it hardly matters...we each tread our own
paths as elves...in fact, to call one an elf is equilivant to calling
them an individual or an eccentric. That we are most often group and
family oriented eccentics is one of the paradoxical mysteries of the
elfin.
All that really matters, kindred, is that we love your elfin being
and are glad that you are out there...it does not matter if we agree, of
importance only is that we love and respect each other. Ideas, while
interesting and charming, are illusion...while Love is Eternal and we
are...
...your loving kindred,
the SILVER ELVES
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Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 20:48:45 -0500
From: Sonja Kassal <110174.2763@compuserve.com>
Subject: Submission to TirNanOc
Sender: Sonja Kassal <110174.2763@compuserve.com>
To: Tiernan <tiernan@mad.scientist.com>
Greetings Elvenkin,
I have been away from the list for a very long time, partially because my
address was accidentally lost for awhile and partially because I've been so
busy (college applications...YUCK) As usual, I don't have time to post
much, but I did want to reestablish my ties with my people again (I've
missed this so much!) And I also need to ask for your help. Let met try
to sum up a very complicated and painful situation in a few sentences...
Over the course of the past four months various situations including the
deaths of a 16-year-old friend of mine and my grandfather have led to a
massive spiritual crisis in my life. I have naturally always been deeply
spiritual and religious, but now I am having great trouble being spititual
or even believing in God. I desperately want to, though! I need there to
be a God, a greater force, and a greater purpose to our lives and to the
world, but my faith has been deeply shaken. If I lose these beliefs
totally, then nothing in my life - friends, love, music, nature, family -
will really have meaning anymore. I'm really not sure what the problem is.
I've witnessed suffering and experienced loss before, but this has never
happened. Now I don't know what to do. The winter holidays are coming on
fast, and I don't want to miss them because of this sickness in my soul!
I've tried meditating, praying, and seeking help from others. I've talked
to extreme Chistian "Jesus-freaks," more moderate Catholics, and a friend
who is Russian Orthodox. I've read a book ("When Bad Things Happen to Good
People") written by a rabbi. I've had long discussions with friends who
are Wiccan and agnostic and written to my best friend, who is elven and
very spiritual, though not set in any particular faith. I don't think that
any more talking can really help me, but I was wondering if anyone has had
any experiences like this and is willing to share how they recovered. I
think that I'm a little too young to be having a spiritual crisis like
this! Back in the spring, people on this digest were predicting some sort
of big "storm" that they thought would hit the elves this summer. Did this
actually happen? Could I have been affected by some force or disruption
which, combined with my friend's death, was too much for me to handle? I
am really desperate for answers, but I simply don't know if there are any.
It's been a very long and painful four months, and just when I think I'm
feeling like myself again something else happens to bring me back down. In
this state I am not any good to myself or to anyone else, so please respond
if you have absolutely any thoughts that might help. You can email me
privately, too, if you want (110174@compuserve.com) Thanks a lot for
reading, and it is good to be back despite everything else.
Tihr a' Lahn,
Shirl
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Until Next Time,
Blessings Upon Your Ways
Tiernan
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